Some More Eida Chareidis Tidbits for Year Round

8 Nissan 5774
April 8, 2014

I bring you additional information taken from the Eida Chareidis 5774 Guide, information that will be an eye-opener for some. It is my hope that the information will serve as a guide for you regarding this and other hashgachos one relies upon.

I am bringing the information in the hope of enlightening readers to the many problems that may arise with foods that appear innocuous, but in today’s complicated kosher industrial food industry, rarely is anything pure and it is the many ingredients and sub ingredients that are not visible that create major kashrus issues. There are also concerns of bishul (cooking) on Shabbos with foods, as I point out.

No cooking whatsoever is carried out in production. Therefore, one may not use honey on Shabbos on anything that is warmer than ‘yad soledes bo’.

From Wikipedia
The temperature that constitutes yad soledet bo is under dispute. While Rabbi Moshe Feinstein ruled that a temperature of 110°F (43°C) must be considered yad soledet bo as a matter of practice, he noted that definitive yad soledet bo might be as high as 160°F (71°C). In practice, the more stringent of the two should be applied. (Ask you rabbi if you don’t get it).

There are many fish classified as tuna, not all kosher. The tuna used by the Eida arrive in the factory intact with all kashrus signs still visible. There is no fear of non kosher fish being mixed into the lot or ‘kavush’ with other fish on board the ship. Many tunas also contain proteins that include chalav akum.

The entire process of preparing the tuna is done in the presence of mashgichim, including the cooking process, which is started by a Torah observant Jew.

Frozen Fish:
When buying a frozen fish that has skin on, then one must be certain to see the packaging is closed and bears the badatz symbol.

If one is buying fillets that have no skin attached, then one must look for the badatz symbol and a hologram, since without the skin it has two kashrus signs.

Candied Cherries:
Imported cherries at times have issues of infestation and therefore, only certain shipments are accepted. This leads to occasional shortages of this particular product.

Many olives are processed in Arab plants and there are issues of orla. There are also types of olives in which insect infestation is very high. The badatz checks for this as well.

Dairy Products:
Badatz certified dairy products come from exclusively shomer Shabbat communities or under specially supervised conditions. Of course this supervision also addresses cows that have undergone surgical procedures [which may render them treif, and therefore their milk would also be treif].

The badatz instructs consumers to separate yogurts and puddings from one another before Shabbos.

There are many coffee whiteners for sale, some made in Israel, some marked parve, yet they have numerous kashrus issues and one should seek out a reliable hashgacha.

Peanut Butter:
Peanut butter in the general marketplace contained emulsifiers that are prohibited. A good hashgacha is required.

Once again a good hashgacha is required. Many contain emulsifiers that are not kosher or non-kosher powdered milk.

Wines & Grape Juice:
Anyone that may be in contact with the wine is a Torah observant Jew. The production of wine is supervised in its entirety from beginning to end and special experts address tithing the finished product.

If a label does not say “mevushal” then one is to understand the wine or grape juice is not and the product must be handled accordingly.

All types of wines and grape juice are regarded as Borei P’ri HaGefen and grape juice marked “100% pure” is just that.



  • Michael
    April 8, 2014 - 21:11 | Permalink

    Most tuna consumed is eaten raw. Thus ‘bishul yisrael’ is really a non-starter. And even if it could be argued that may not be the case in Israel, it is certainly a high proportion of the tuna consumed, thus definitely making it a ‘dovor shene-echal kemois shehu chai’

  • April 8, 2014 - 21:17 | Permalink

    To Michael: NONE of the major hashgachas in Israel, including the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, are in agreement with you.

    Far from anything close to “most” tuna is eaten raw and your ruling is rejected by rov poskim in Israel of all hashkafic walks of life.

    In Israel, tuna remains an item that is NOT eaten raw vis-a-vis the laws of bishul yisrael.

  • Refael Avraham Yitzchock
    April 8, 2014 - 22:53 | Permalink

    ● Candied Cherries: Since many of the rabbis in the Eida are still operating as though they still live in the shtetls of Europe they are NOT food scientists. Candied Cherries may contain E120 – Carmine, coloration which is derived from an insect. They can also be packed in non-kosher brandy /wine to enhance their flavor.

    ● Olives: If the olives have been washed properly you will not see any pitting. The major problem with olives being packed in Middle Eastern countries is that they “all” utilize non-kosher wine vinegar listing it as vinegar. This goes as well for pickled vegetables, pickles, etc.

    ● Peanut Butter: other questionable oils being used in the processing of the peanut butter. Typically used emulsifiers are lecithins (E322) and mono- and diglycerides of fatty … and improve the spreadability of various spreads, including peanut butter.

    ●Tehina: we have not found any company producing tehina with milk in their formulas. There are tehina milk drinks but that is a self made concoction. Emulsifiers are used in making Tehina Halava to solve the oil separation of sesame seed oil.

    ●Wines: If you compare Eida & other acceptably kosher Israeli wines, there is a definite noticeable difference. Yayin Mevushal to the Eida means boiling the taste out of the wines. There is a flash pasteurization method which has been found to be acceptable as mevushal & doesn’t destroy the flavor of the wines.

    ●Tuna: The USDA does not allow any other fish to be used if a company is packing tuna fish.
    One should be careful to make sure that they are purchasing tuna fish under a reliable hechsher. In the US there is still an ongoing discussion regarding the kashrut standard of tuna fish.

  • A Mashgiach Who Cares
    April 9, 2014 - 03:15 | Permalink

    “Frozen Fish:
    When buying a frozen fish that has skin on, then one must be certain to see the packaging is closed and bears the badatz symbol”.

    Question: If there is a skin tab with scales, which is attached to the fish, why is a badatz symbol and/or closed package necessary?

    [A skin tab with scales, which is attached to the fish, is Hashem's kashrus symbol].

  • Tal Moshe Zwecker
    April 10, 2014 - 02:20 | Permalink

    my understanding was that sometime a skin tab can be falsely glued on or frozen on, correct me if I am wrong and thats why they need a hechsher

  • Michael
    April 14, 2014 - 01:09 | Permalink

    To JKN Israel:

    I have discussed this matter before. The fact that most Israeli ‘authorities’ really have no idea whatsoever about the eating habits in the ‘big wide world ‘ outside their own daled amos cannot change the facts on the ground. Most people in Israel are not religious, and most restaurants and eateries are, unfortunately worse than just ‘not kosher supervised’ and you know what I mean r”l. Furthermore, the fact that something is commonly eaten raw is more than enough for it to be considered ‘ne-echal kemois shehu chai’. No sources require this to be the main way that it is eaten. There is no doubt whatsoever that tuna (and salmon) are COMMONLY eaten raw, even in Israel. However, this fact sounds very surprising to many in the chareidi world (ever noticed that ‘frum’ ‘sushi’ almost always uses cooked salmon and tuna? Wonder why?). Furthermore, in this country we find carrots in tins with ‘bishul yisroel’ on them as well … can anyone suggest that carrots are not commonly eaten raw?

  • Susan Hyde
    April 16, 2014 - 19:23 | Permalink

    This is the first time I’ve viewed this site and these comments. The tone of many comments is distressing. It is disrespectful and embarrassing. An intelligent adult with good middot and communication skills need not be sarcastic or rude to put a counterargument across. This is true between any two people, how much more so between Jews, and particularly frum Jews.

  • A Mashgiach Who Cares
    April 17, 2014 - 11:03 | Permalink

    @ Tal Moshe Zwecker

    In my experience, it’s readily evident when skin tabs that are falsely glued or frozen on are , and any savvy consumer (if they are aware of the possibility) can easily spot them.

    The clue is to remove the skin tab when the fish is defrosted. Real skin tabs need to be pulled hard, or a knife is needed to remove them. If it just like falls off, then it probably was just falsely put on.

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