Bogus Kosher Claim on Dr. Pepper Soda

1 Rosh Chodesh Adar 5772

February 23, 2012

dr-pepper-klbd-003The following update is taken from Chief Rabbinate of Israel Kashrut Enforcement Division Update 012 dated today.

Cans of the Dr. Pepper soft drink (barcode 5010102100015) from England are being represented as kosher under the supervision of KLBD. KLBD reports this is not so. The kashrus claim is bogus. The soda was also not approved by the Chief Rabbinate and a recall has been issued, instructing mashgichim to remove them from store shelves.

4 Comments

  • A. S.
    February 26, 2012 - 09:56 | Permalink

    After I saw the alert i thought it strange, as i don’t recall Dr Pepper ever being under the KLBD, rather under the Trangle-K. So i went out to a few small makolets in Yerushalayim that i know i’ve bought Dr Pepper in over the years to go find this “non-KLBD” can. i figured small makolets dont see these alerts and dont have mashgichim coming to check the products they carry.

    i have found 3 separate kinds of Dr Pepper cans.

    1) The regular Dr Pepper can i have always seen for years – regular color scheme and design, and as i remembered correctly under the hasgacha of Triangle-K, with an ishur form RhR”L. This can is made in france.

    2) The subject of the Kashrut Alert, as described, made in Great Britain. this can has a slightly different design with a blue/orange fire swirl intertwined into the scheme. no ishur from RhR”L is printed.

    3) Another unknown can, with a slightly different design, with a yellow ad scheme “Now Less Sugar” and “Can you handle the taste?” on the can. This can from Poland has no kashrut on the label or an ishur from RhR”L.

    When i asked the guy behind the counter why he had 3 cans he told me the 1st two are from different places in America and the 3rd is low-sugar (not sugar free). He also told me that they are each from different suppliers. nice guy. when i first asked for a favor if i can photograph the cans he was in the middle of saying no when i cut him off and made up a story about showing my friends that we have dr pepper in israel. to this he agreed.

    Pictures of all these cans i have put up in an album on Facebook. I’d be glad to show them to you Yechiel. send me an email and ill forward the pictures to you.

  • Simon
    February 27, 2012 - 15:26 | Permalink

    In the UK the KLBD generally approve all non-grape soft drinks, including Dr Pepper. They don’t, however, supervise it.

  • A. S.
    February 28, 2012 - 23:41 | Permalink

    i just received the following Kashrut.com alert:

    “The following Israeli kashrus alert is from the Israeli Chief Rabbinate, Jerusalem Kosher News with additional information from the London Beth Din posted on January 27, 2012

    Dr Pepper available in the UK has been approved by the LBD based on detailed correspondence with the manufacturers but the syrup used is not kosher certified.
    Dr Pepper bought overseas could have different formulations even if manufactured in the UK so we cannot advise on its kosher status.
    Dr Pepper in Israel bears an unauthorized KLBD logo and it is neither kosher certified nor kosher approved by the LBD.
    The soda was also not approved by the Israeli Chief Rabbinate. ”

    This confirms Simon’s comments above. the KLBD Kosher Product Search also returns that Dr Pepper (Regular and Zero) are Kosher approved, but not certified specifically.

    one might think that any UK-produced dr pepper would thus be approved by them, but the alert cited above explicitly states in the 2nd line that that might not be the case.

    it follows from that line that any UK-produced Dr Pepper sold outside the UK does not only not have their certification (which it never does) but it also does not even carry their approval! (line 3).

    It’s conceivable that even without certification, as long as the LBD approves of the item that the RhR”L could possibly allow the import of the item for sale, but it doesnt even have the backing of the LBD approval!

    Thus line 4 states the RhR”L did (and certainly would) not approve this item.

    For all we know this could very well be the exact same batch from the exact same plant as the LBD-approved Dr Pepper, but by policy regardless it is not approved by them once it’s for sale here in Israel. Only Dr Pepper available IN the UK is approved.

    In any event, it’s not really an issue that these cans are no good (their kashrut status is irrelevant at this point, the fact is theyre not approved and were recalled), since there ARE kosher certified and approved Dr Pepper cans available on the market. Just make sure you pick up the right one.

    Yechiel – What happens to the small unmonitored makolets? is this simply an unfortunate reality, or do i bear the responsibility of reporting this either to the store clerk or the authorities? (mesira, lifnei iver, dina dmalchuta, and more issues, etc…?)

  • Seraphya
    March 7, 2012 - 03:23 | Permalink

    A. S. – why was telling a lie acceptable in this case?

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