Comments on: Kashrus Brief – May 21, 2009 – 27 Iyar 5769 http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/2009/05/kashrus-brief-%e2%80%93-may-21-2009-%e2%80%93-27-iyar-5769/ Reporting on Kashrus in Eretz Yisrael Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:46:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: David http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/2009/05/kashrus-brief-%e2%80%93-may-21-2009-%e2%80%93-27-iyar-5769/comment-page-1/#comment-75 David Sun, 31 May 2009 08:24:04 +0000 http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/?p=507#comment-75 Your Hod issue raises an important matter that many (most?) people are not aware of. I came to be aware of it a number of years ago. A company I was working at had maybe 50-60 people and 2 who would be concerned about kashrus. They were making a company lunch at the company's office and they wanted it to be kosher for my sake and the other chap, so they got a kosher caterer. I and the other phoned the mashgiach and we discovered that the food is made in a place that has supervision, but the mashgiach told us that they guy sometimes buys cakes on the way to an event from somewhere that I think is unsupervised. Also, the dishes used at the event were partly the caterer's and partly whatever they found at the office. The dishes at the office were not kosher as people were not makpid on kashrus. At the end of the event the caterer washed up thier dishes in the company's non-kosher sinks. This of course opened my eyes to the fact that a caterer can prodcue kosher food under supervision but he can screw everything up by treifing up his dishes and by adding non-kosher stuff which he buys on his way to the event. Oh, such a murky business, full of untrustworthy people. David Your Hod issue raises an important matter that many (most?) people are not aware of. I came to be aware of it a number of years ago.

A company I was working at had maybe 50-60 people and 2 who would be concerned about kashrus. They were making a company lunch at the company’s office and they wanted it to be kosher for my sake and the other chap, so they got a kosher caterer. I and the other phoned the mashgiach and we discovered that the food is made in a place that has supervision, but the mashgiach told us that they guy sometimes buys cakes on the way to an event from somewhere that I think is unsupervised.

Also, the dishes used at the event were partly the caterer’s and partly whatever they found at the office. The dishes at the office were not kosher as people were not makpid on kashrus. At the end of the event the caterer washed up thier dishes in the company’s non-kosher sinks.

This of course opened my eyes to the fact that a caterer can prodcue kosher food under supervision but he can screw everything up by treifing up his dishes and by adding non-kosher stuff which he buys on his way to the event.

Oh, such a murky business, full of untrustworthy people.

David

]]> By: Yaacov http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/2009/05/kashrus-brief-%e2%80%93-may-21-2009-%e2%80%93-27-iyar-5769/comment-page-1/#comment-66 Yaacov Sun, 24 May 2009 17:48:06 +0000 http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/?p=507#comment-66 True that in some cases it is permitted to be "meshaneh" when dealing with a ramai, however the Chachomim still say it is better not to. I would like to point out that from the post above it seems that at the point of the phone call Maimon was not yet a known ramai. We definitely do not condone being dishonest with honest people. Even with noble intentions. True that in some cases it is permitted to be “meshaneh” when dealing with a ramai, however the Chachomim still say it is better not to. I would like to point out that from the post above it seems that at the point of the phone call Maimon was not yet a known ramai. We definitely do not condone being dishonest with honest people. Even with noble intentions.

]]> By: David http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/2009/05/kashrus-brief-%e2%80%93-may-21-2009-%e2%80%93-27-iyar-5769/comment-page-1/#comment-64 David Fri, 22 May 2009 13:27:45 +0000 http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/?p=507#comment-64 Yaacov, without a doubt it is mutar to tell a harmless story in order to find out information of this nature. If you tell the guy outright that you're an investigative reporter you will not get info of any value and you will not be able to serve the public. If one has a suspicion that someone is cheating/abusing/stealing/harming/other lo alenu activities then it is obligatory to use some guile in order to find out what's going on. David hamelech says "im patol titpatel". C'est la vie. Yaacov, without a doubt it is mutar to tell a harmless story in order to find out information of this nature.

If you tell the guy outright that you’re an investigative reporter you will not get info of any value and you will not be able to serve the public. If one has a suspicion that someone is cheating/abusing/stealing/harming/other lo alenu activities then it is obligatory to use some guile in order to find out what’s going on.

David hamelech says “im patol titpatel”. C’est la vie.

]]> By: Voos http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/2009/05/kashrus-brief-%e2%80%93-may-21-2009-%e2%80%93-27-iyar-5769/comment-page-1/#comment-63 Voos Thu, 21 May 2009 15:12:15 +0000 http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/?p=507#comment-63 to trick a 'ramai' it is permitted to be 'meshaneh'! to trick a ‘ramai’ it is permitted to be ‘meshaneh’!

]]> By: Yaacov http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/2009/05/kashrus-brief-%e2%80%93-may-21-2009-%e2%80%93-27-iyar-5769/comment-page-1/#comment-62 Yaacov Thu, 21 May 2009 12:04:31 +0000 http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/?p=507#comment-62 I really appreciate the work that you have done for the Klal. As you have shown it is really needed. However, I must question your methods. One of the biggest points you make is that the person must be honest and reliable. You stated that "Maimon has no credibility since he lied". However you also wrote "I phoned Maimon last night, explaining I am making an affair and would like to know what kashrus supervision he has". Maybe you actually are making an affair (I hope so, otherwise it would be gineivas daas) however this is not made clear to the people reading you website or getting your emails. This may lead one to believe that if you are looking for the truth you can lie to find it. This seems quite contradictory to me! I am sure that this was just an oversight. Once again I think you are doing a tremendous service to us all. The concern you show for your fellow Jew is admirable. May H-shem help you in everything you do! Keep up the great work. I really appreciate the work that you have done for the Klal. As you have shown it is really needed. However, I must question your methods. One of the biggest points you make is that the person must be honest and reliable. You stated that “Maimon has no credibility since he lied”. However you also wrote “I phoned Maimon last night, explaining I am making an affair and would like to know what kashrus supervision he has”. Maybe you actually are making an affair (I hope so, otherwise it would be gineivas daas) however this is not made clear to the people reading you website or getting your emails. This may lead one to believe that if you are looking for the truth you can lie to find it. This seems quite contradictory to me!
I am sure that this was just an oversight.
Once again I think you are doing a tremendous service to us all. The concern you show for your fellow Jew is admirable.
May H-shem help you in everything you do!
Keep up the great work.

]]> By: Voos http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/2009/05/kashrus-brief-%e2%80%93-may-21-2009-%e2%80%93-27-iyar-5769/comment-page-1/#comment-61 Voos Thu, 21 May 2009 10:13:52 +0000 http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/?p=507#comment-61 Oh no! Ate at a Bar Mitzva of a very religious family just last week!! What do I do?? Oh no!

Ate at a Bar Mitzva of a very religious family just last week!! What do I do??

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